separate line in jack ?

is there any creative card that would give me the option to record that
also has a separate line in jack ?

Separate from microphone? Possibly not; I don't know. Or did you mean
separate from something else?

Current Sound Blasters use the same jack for microphone and line in, but
they let you choose which one it is at any given time.

In other words, I want the "what u hear" capability -- the option to
record what you're listening to, as well as a separate jack for the line
in.

Many sound cards allow that. I just looked at 3 computers (one with an
ancient Sound Blaster PCI 16, one with a Sound Blaster Live! 24, and one
with sound on the motherboard) and they all did. Most of them call it
"Stereo Mix" instead of "What U Hear" and it's hidden on the recording menu
until you enable it. See:
www.covingtoninnovations.com/audio/recradio

louise

2006-01-22 06:35:44 UTC

is there any creative card that would give me the option to record that
also has a separate line in jack ?

Separate from microphone? Possibly not; I don't know. Or did you mean
separate from something else?
Current Sound Blasters use the same jack for microphone and line in, but
they let you choose which one it is at any given time.

In other words, I want the "what u hear" capability -- the option to
record what you're listening to, as well as a separate jack for the line
in.

Thanks for your help and the link. That's a great site for
some of the info I'm trying to figure out.

Louise

2006-01-22 14:44:59 UTC

Can you tell me a little more precisely what it is that you need to do? I
can probably help you figure it out.

louise

2006-01-23 05:38:15 UTC

Post by mc
Can you tell me a little more precisely what it is that you need to do? I
can probably help you figure it out.

Thanks a lot - and thanks for your patience in reading the
long description below.

Audigy 2ZS card and Win XP Pro - Asus motherboard, P4, lots
of memory and processor power.

I have a handheld microphone which goes into an M Audio
preamp (called Audio Buddy). This plugs into the "line in"
jack.

I would like to be able to also plug a headset/microphone
directly into the soundcard or with a USB sound pod.

The reason I want both is that I would like to be able to
dictate from either the handheld through the line in, OR the
headset microphone.

I use Dragon Naturally Speaking speech recognition software.
You have to create a new user (profile) for each dictation
source used because you have to "train" the program to
recognize your speech.

The program will not recognize another input source other
than the line in so that it will not allow me to create a
second user with a different input source.

The surround mixer does change the record input from the
line mix to microphone but it still doesn't seem to have any
effect upon the program's ability to recognize another input
source.

I tried using a USB sound pod for my second input source and
the same thing happened. This did work in the Windows
recorder but it did not work in Dragon NaturallySpeaking.

It is very hard to get good tech support on this issue
because the preamp isn't "supported" and the speech
recognition people know nothing about it and simply say it
is not supported. Creative doesn't really know a lot about
Dragon NaturallySpeaking and perhaps not very much about the
Audio Buddy either.

There is some weird interaction between the Dragon software
and the Creative software -- at least that's my latest
theory. Even when I use the USB sound pod, the creative
software is still loaded.

Another piece of information if this would shed any light:
whenever I start Dragon NaturallySpeaking, it automatically
puts an X on the line-in. In other words, when you start
the program, it sets itself up for microphone plugged into
mic in jack. When I checked with their tech support, this
is how the software is supposed to operate. So, whenever I
do load the speech recognition software, I also have to go
into the surround mixer and take the x out of the line in so
that my present set up can work.

The headset and the USB pod work perfectly on my portable,
so I know that those two pieces of hardware are fine. I
have also done a repair install of the Dragon software and
it made no difference; I don't think the program
installation is corrupted.

Everyone I speak to who knows the Dragon software at all has
a "hunch" that it has something to do with the fact that the
sound card has a mix for the input and that it confuses the
Dragon software setup.. But no one is sure.

The other issue about "what u hear" is that I do a fair
amount of recording of music off the net - therefore, I want
that capability as well - but I gather most soundcards
actually have that.

I hope this is at least a little clear and if you have any
suggestions, I certainly would appreciate it.

Thanks again.

Louise

2006-01-23 14:13:11 UTC

OK, so, in summary: You have 2 microphones. One is an ordinary computer
microphone on a headset. The other microphone works through a preamplifier
and goes to "line in" on the sound card.

So you need a sound card on which "line in" and "microphone" are 2 different
jacks.

That is a reasonable request, but I don't know which current sound cards
have that setup. Sound Blaster Live 24 defininitely does not. Sound
Blaster PCI 16 does, but it's probably obsolete by now. I have one of each.

Can others chime in with suggestions? I know that with Sound Blaster
products, you can go to www.creative.com, under support, and read the
instruction leaflet for each card.

2006-01-23 17:20:27 UTC

One last thought. You can have 2 soundcards in the same computer and select
between them in software.

I know that Asus sound-on-the-motherbard and Sound Blaster Live 24 are
compatible.

Post by mc
Can you tell me a little more precisely what it is that you need to do?
I can probably help you figure it out.

Thanks a lot - and thanks for your patience in reading the long
description below.
Audigy 2ZS card and Win XP Pro - Asus motherboard, P4, lots of memory and
processor power.
I have a handheld microphone which goes into an M Audio preamp (called
Audio Buddy). This plugs into the "line in" jack.
I would like to be able to also plug a headset/microphone directly into
the soundcard or with a USB sound pod.
The reason I want both is that I would like to be able to dictate from
either the handheld through the line in, OR the headset microphone.
I use Dragon Naturally Speaking speech recognition software. You have to
create a new user (profile) for each dictation source used because you
have to "train" the program to recognize your speech.
The program will not recognize another input source other than the line in
so that it will not allow me to create a second user with a different
input source.
The surround mixer does change the record input from the line mix to
microphone but it still doesn't seem to have any effect upon the program's
ability to recognize another input source.
I tried using a USB sound pod for my second input source and the same
thing happened. This did work in the Windows recorder but it did not work
in Dragon NaturallySpeaking.
It is very hard to get good tech support on this issue because the preamp
isn't "supported" and the speech recognition people know nothing about it
and simply say it is not supported. Creative doesn't really know a lot
about Dragon NaturallySpeaking and perhaps not very much about the Audio
Buddy either.
There is some weird interaction between the Dragon software and the
Creative software -- at least that's my latest theory. Even when I use
the USB sound pod, the creative software is still loaded.
Another piece of information if this would shed any light: whenever I
start Dragon NaturallySpeaking, it automatically puts an X on the line-in.
In other words, when you start the program, it sets itself up for
microphone plugged into mic in jack. When I checked with their tech
support, this is how the software is supposed to operate. So, whenever I
do load the speech recognition software, I also have to go into the
surround mixer and take the x out of the line in so that my present set up
can work.
The headset and the USB pod work perfectly on my portable, so I know that
those two pieces of hardware are fine. I have also done a repair install
of the Dragon software and it made no difference; I don't think the
program installation is corrupted.
Everyone I speak to who knows the Dragon software at all has a "hunch"
that it has something to do with the fact that the sound card has a mix
for the input and that it confuses the Dragon software setup.. But no one
is sure.
The other issue about "what u hear" is that I do a fair amount of
recording of music off the net - therefore, I want that capability as
well - but I gather most soundcards actually have that.
I hope this is at least a little clear and if you have any suggestions, I
certainly would appreciate it.
Thanks again.
Louise

T Shadow

2006-01-23 22:31:18 UTC

Post by mc
One last thought. You can have 2 soundcards in the same computer and select
between them in software.
I know that Asus sound-on-the-motherbard and Sound Blaster Live 24 are
compatible.

Post by mc
Can you tell me a little more precisely what it is that you need to do?
I can probably help you figure it out.

Thanks a lot - and thanks for your patience in reading the long
description below.
Audigy 2ZS card and Win XP Pro - Asus motherboard, P4, lots of memory and
processor power.
I have a handheld microphone which goes into an M Audio preamp (called
Audio Buddy). This plugs into the "line in" jack.
I would like to be able to also plug a headset/microphone directly into
the soundcard or with a USB sound pod.
The reason I want both is that I would like to be able to dictate from
either the handheld through the line in, OR the headset microphone.
I use Dragon Naturally Speaking speech recognition software. You have to
create a new user (profile) for each dictation source used because you
have to "train" the program to recognize your speech.
The program will not recognize another input source other than the line in
so that it will not allow me to create a second user with a different
input source.
The surround mixer does change the record input from the line mix to
microphone but it still doesn't seem to have any effect upon the program's
ability to recognize another input source.
I tried using a USB sound pod for my second input source and the same
thing happened. This did work in the Windows recorder but it did not work
in Dragon NaturallySpeaking.
It is very hard to get good tech support on this issue because the preamp
isn't "supported" and the speech recognition people know nothing about it
and simply say it is not supported. Creative doesn't really know a lot
about Dragon NaturallySpeaking and perhaps not very much about the Audio
Buddy either.
There is some weird interaction between the Dragon software and the
Creative software -- at least that's my latest theory. Even when I use
the USB sound pod, the creative software is still loaded.
Another piece of information if this would shed any light: whenever I
start Dragon NaturallySpeaking, it automatically puts an X on the line-in.
In other words, when you start the program, it sets itself up for
microphone plugged into mic in jack. When I checked with their tech
support, this is how the software is supposed to operate. So, whenever I
do load the speech recognition software, I also have to go into the
surround mixer and take the x out of the line in so that my present set up
can work.
The headset and the USB pod work perfectly on my portable, so I know that
those two pieces of hardware are fine. I have also done a repair install
of the Dragon software and it made no difference; I don't think the
program installation is corrupted.
Everyone I speak to who knows the Dragon software at all has a "hunch"
that it has something to do with the fact that the sound card has a mix
for the input and that it confuses the Dragon software setup.. But no one
is sure.
The other issue about "what u hear" is that I do a fair amount of
recording of music off the net - therefore, I want that capability as
well - but I gather most soundcards actually have that.
I hope this is at least a little clear and if you have any suggestions, I
certainly would appreciate it.
Thanks again.
Louise

AFAIK every card I've owned have separate Mic and Line-In jacks. My SB Live
and Audig2 do for sure. The problem seems to be Dragon only wanting to use
the Mic port.
Go into the Windows(not Creative) Sound Control Panel and see if you can
select the mixer device you want to use, before running Dragon. I've not
used a USB sound device but hopefully there will be 2. Does the pod show
having a Mic port?
I've read the post 6 time and I'm still not sure I understand exactly what's
going on but I'll give some info that may help you experiment. Wave and MIDI
are digital sound on the computers bus. All of the others are physical ports
to the sound card. Analog mix are hardware ports and What You Hear is Analog
Mix + Wave.
It might help understanding if you could post a link for the pods website.

2006-01-24 00:05:03 UTC

Post by T Shadow
AFAIK every card I've owned have separate Mic and Line-In jacks. My SB Live
and Audig2 do for sure.

Sound Blaster Live 24 does not; nor (probably) does Audigy. They started
doubling up Line In with Mic when they needed more jacks for surround sound
speakers.

Post by T Shadow
The problem seems to be Dragon only wanting to use
the Mic port.
Go into the Windows(not Creative) Sound Control Panel and see if you can
select the mixer device you want to use, before running Dragon. I've not
used a USB sound device but hopefully there will be 2. Does the pod show
having a Mic port?
I've read the post 6 time and I'm still not sure I understand exactly what's
going on but I'll give some info that may help you experiment. Wave and MIDI
are digital sound on the computers bus. All of the others are physical ports
to the sound card. Analog mix are hardware ports and What You Hear is Analog
Mix + Wave.
It might help understanding if you could post a link for the pods website.

T Shadow

2006-01-24 00:28:36 UTC

Post by T Shadow
AFAIK every card I've owned have separate Mic and Line-In jacks. My SB Live
and Audig2 do for sure.

Sound Blaster Live 24 does not; nor (probably) does Audigy. They started
doubling up Line In with Mic when they needed more jacks for surround sound
speakers.

Page 15-16

http://ccftp.creative.com/manualdn/Manuals/TSD/797/English.pdf

T Shadow

2006-01-24 01:28:45 UTC

Post by T Shadow

Post by T Shadow
AFAIK every card I've owned have separate Mic and Line-In jacks. My SB Live
and Audig2 do for sure.

Sound Blaster Live 24 does not; nor (probably) does Audigy. They started
doubling up Line In with Mic when they needed more jacks for surround

sound

Post by mc
speakers.

Page 15-16
http://ccftp.creative.com/manualdn/Manuals/TSD/797/English.pdf

BTW the Audigy2 has a separate PCI slot cover for the game port. I'm not
just guessing, I'm looking at the back of the computer now. The SB Live also
has a separate cover. It's good to know about Creative doing that on some
models though.

Dino

2006-02-01 22:07:12 UTC

Post by T Shadow
AFAIK every card I've owned have separate Mic and Line-In jacks. My SB Live
and Audig2 do for sure.

Sound Blaster Live 24 does not; nor (probably) does Audigy. They started
doubling up Line In with Mic when they needed more jacks for surround
sound speakers.

My Sound Blaster Live Digital has both line in and mic jacks. I checked on
Audigy and it seems to have both also.

louise

2006-01-24 02:49:48 UTC

Post by mc
One last thought. You can have 2 soundcards in the same computer and

select

Post by mc
between them in software.
I know that Asus sound-on-the-motherbard and Sound Blaster Live 24 are
compatible.

Post by mc
Can you tell me a little more precisely what it is that you need to do?
I can probably help you figure it out.

Thanks a lot - and thanks for your patience in reading the long
description below.
Audigy 2ZS card and Win XP Pro - Asus motherboard, P4, lots of memory

and

processor power.
I have a handheld microphone which goes into an M Audio preamp (called
Audio Buddy). This plugs into the "line in" jack.
I would like to be able to also plug a headset/microphone directly into
the soundcard or with a USB sound pod.
The reason I want both is that I would like to be able to dictate from
either the handheld through the line in, OR the headset microphone.
I use Dragon Naturally Speaking speech recognition software. You have to
create a new user (profile) for each dictation source used because you
have to "train" the program to recognize your speech.
The program will not recognize another input source other than the line

so that it will not allow me to create a second user with a different
input source.
The surround mixer does change the record input from the line mix to
microphone but it still doesn't seem to have any effect upon the

program's

ability to recognize another input source.
I tried using a USB sound pod for my second input source and the same
thing happened. This did work in the Windows recorder but it did not

work

in Dragon NaturallySpeaking.
It is very hard to get good tech support on this issue because the

preamp

isn't "supported" and the speech recognition people know nothing about

and simply say it is not supported. Creative doesn't really know a lot
about Dragon NaturallySpeaking and perhaps not very much about the Audio
Buddy either.
There is some weird interaction between the Dragon software and the
Creative software -- at least that's my latest theory. Even when I use
the USB sound pod, the creative software is still loaded.
Another piece of information if this would shed any light: whenever I
start Dragon NaturallySpeaking, it automatically puts an X on the

line-in.

In other words, when you start the program, it sets itself up for
microphone plugged into mic in jack. When I checked with their tech
support, this is how the software is supposed to operate. So, whenever

do load the speech recognition software, I also have to go into the
surround mixer and take the x out of the line in so that my present set

can work.
The headset and the USB pod work perfectly on my portable, so I know

that

those two pieces of hardware are fine. I have also done a repair

install

of the Dragon software and it made no difference; I don't think the
program installation is corrupted.
Everyone I speak to who knows the Dragon software at all has a "hunch"
that it has something to do with the fact that the sound card has a mix
for the input and that it confuses the Dragon software setup.. But no

one

is sure.
The other issue about "what u hear" is that I do a fair amount of
recording of music off the net - therefore, I want that capability as
well - but I gather most soundcards actually have that.
I hope this is at least a little clear and if you have any suggestions,

certainly would appreciate it.
Thanks again.
Louise

Here's the link for the usb sound pod

http://www.emicrophones.com/microphones/prod_details.asp?prodID=003

The Creative control panel doesn't see the pod at all. But
Windows control panel/sound can see the pod and the wndows
recorder can accept dictation from the pod.

Louise

T Shadow

2006-01-24 07:29:27 UTC

Post by mc
One last thought. You can have 2 soundcards in the same computer and

select

Post by mc
between them in software.
I know that Asus sound-on-the-motherbard and Sound Blaster Live 24 are
compatible.

Post by mc
Can you tell me a little more precisely what it is that you need to do?
I can probably help you figure it out.

Thanks a lot - and thanks for your patience in reading the long
description below.
Audigy 2ZS card and Win XP Pro - Asus motherboard, P4, lots of memory

and

program's

ability to recognize another input source.
I tried using a USB sound pod for my second input source and the same
thing happened. This did work in the Windows recorder but it did not

work

in Dragon NaturallySpeaking.
It is very hard to get good tech support on this issue because the

preamp

isn't "supported" and the speech recognition people know nothing about

line-in.

do load the speech recognition software, I also have to go into the
surround mixer and take the x out of the line in so that my present set

can work.
The headset and the USB pod work perfectly on my portable, so I know

that

those two pieces of hardware are fine. I have also done a repair

install

one

certainly would appreciate it.
Thanks again.
Louise

Here's the link for the usb sound pod
http://www.emicrophones.com/microphones/prod_details.asp?prodID=003
The Creative control panel doesn't see the pod at all. But
Windows control panel/sound can see the pod and the wndows
recorder can accept dictation from the pod.
Louise

From:
http://www.emicrophones.com/docdetails.asp?documentid=25

"When NatSpeaking loads, it scans available sound devices, finds the default
you have stipulated for preferred devices, and sets up for 16-bit speech
recognition PCM (Pulse-Coded Modulation) recording format"

Looks like you need to set the pod to default in Windows "Sounds and Audio
Devices Properties" Control Panel before running Dragon. I'd set it in the
audio and Voice pages then click "use Only Default Devices" on the Audio
page.
Since your putting Dragon on a second computer can I assume you like it and
find it useful?

louise

2006-01-24 20:55:13 UTC

Post by T Shadow

Post by mc
One last thought. You can have 2 soundcards in the same computer and

select

Post by mc
between them in software.
I know that Asus sound-on-the-motherbard and Sound Blaster Live 24 are
compatible.

Post by mc
Can you tell me a little more precisely what it is that you need to

do?

Post by mc
I can probably help you figure it out.

Thanks a lot - and thanks for your patience in reading the long
description below.
Audigy 2ZS card and Win XP Pro - Asus motherboard, P4, lots of memory

and

create a new user (profile) for each dictation source used because you
have to "train" the program to recognize your speech.
The program will not recognize another input source other than the line

program's

ability to recognize another input source.
I tried using a USB sound pod for my second input source and the same
thing happened. This did work in the Windows recorder but it did not

work

in Dragon NaturallySpeaking.
It is very hard to get good tech support on this issue because the

preamp

isn't "supported" and the speech recognition people know nothing about

and simply say it is not supported. Creative doesn't really know a lot
about Dragon NaturallySpeaking and perhaps not very much about the

Audio

Buddy either.
There is some weird interaction between the Dragon software and the
Creative software -- at least that's my latest theory. Even when I use
the USB sound pod, the creative software is still loaded.
Another piece of information if this would shed any light: whenever I
start Dragon NaturallySpeaking, it automatically puts an X on the

line-in.

do load the speech recognition software, I also have to go into the
surround mixer and take the x out of the line in so that my present set

can work.
The headset and the USB pod work perfectly on my portable, so I know

that

those two pieces of hardware are fine. I have also done a repair

install

one

certainly would appreciate it.
Thanks again.
Louise

AFAIK every card I've owned have separate Mic and Line-In jacks. My SB

Live

Post by mc
and Audig2 do for sure. The problem seems to be Dragon only wanting to

use

Post by mc
the Mic port.
Go into the Windows(not Creative) Sound Control Panel and see if you can
select the mixer device you want to use, before running Dragon. I've not
used a USB sound device but hopefully there will be 2. Does the pod show
having a Mic port?
I've read the post 6 time and I'm still not sure I understand exactly

what's

Post by mc
going on but I'll give some info that may help you experiment. Wave and

MIDI

Post by mc
are digital sound on the computers bus. All of the others are physical

ports

Post by mc
to the sound card. Analog mix are hardware ports and What You Hear is

Analog

Post by mc
Mix + Wave.
It might help understanding if you could post a link for the pods

website.

Post by louise
Here's the link for the usb sound pod
http://www.emicrophones.com/microphones/prod_details.asp?prodID=003
The Creative control panel doesn't see the pod at all. But
Windows control panel/sound can see the pod and the wndows
recorder can accept dictation from the pod.
Louise

http://www.emicrophones.com/docdetails.asp?documentid=25
"When NatSpeaking loads, it scans available sound devices, finds the default
you have stipulated for preferred devices, and sets up for 16-bit speech
recognition PCM (Pulse-Coded Modulation) recording format"
Looks like you need to set the pod to default in Windows "Sounds and Audio
Devices Properties" Control Panel before running Dragon. I'd set it in the
audio and Voice pages then click "use Only Default Devices" on the Audio
page.
Since your putting Dragon on a second computer can I assume you like it and
find it useful?

thanks for that suggestion. I did make it the default, but
I did not check "use only default devices". I'll try again :-)

Yes, I do find Dragon very useful. Although I type very
very quickly, I also need to create many pages a day and
after a while, I get RSI. One does have to do some work to
train it for your speech patterns and it does make
ridiculous mistakes from time to time -- usually when you
haven't enunciated well enough.

If you're going to try it, I have one strong recommendation:
do not use the included headset because it really isn't good
enough and you lose a lot of accuracy that you could have if
you got a more expensive headset or, a freestanding handheld
microphone on a boom.

I purchased the "Preferred" version; this is plenty good
enough unless you really don't have use of your hands or do
so much dictating that the creation of individual macros
would be critical for you.

Most people do not need the Audio Buddy that I use -- in
fact, I am very much the exception and there's no need to
figure that you would have to do that. It is because I have
a somewhat hoarse and soft voice that I need the extra
amplification.

Thanks again and if you to get Dragon, check out
Knowbrainer.com for a wonderful bulletin board filled with
information about how to use the program and how to maximize it.

Louise

2006-01-23 17:19:23 UTC

Dear Louise,

One more thing. Please contact me by e-mail,
m c at u g a dot e d u
if you can't find a card that meets your needs. I have a Sound Blaster 16
PCI that might suit you. Thanks.

mc

Sharanga Dayananda

2006-01-31 21:52:38 UTC